Understanding the One Big Beautiful Bill with Elias Tsapelas
Susan Pendergrass is joined by Elias Tsapelas, director of state budget and fiscal policy at the Show-Me Institute, to break down the sweeping new federal legislation known as the “One Big Beautiful Bill.” They discuss what it really means for Medicaid recipients, food stamp programs, state budgets, and Missouri taxpayers.
Timestamps
00:00 Understanding the One Big Beautiful Bill Act
06:44 Medicaid: Changes and Implications
11:23 SNAP Benefits: New Regulations and Effects
14:18 Tax Implications for Missourians
19:09 Future of Medicaid and State Budgets
Episode Transcript: Understanding the One Big Beautiful Bill with Elias Tsapelas (Download Here)
Susan Pendergrass (00:00)
Okay, here we go. You ready? Elias Tsapelas, we are going to talk about IT—the big IT—the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. I don’t feel like I understand it. I suspect there’s a lot of people reading the news that don’t understand it, but you seem to understand a lot of it. So thanks for coming to talk to us about it today.
Elias Tsapelas (00:19)
No problem. I think there’s a lot of misconceptions, especially about what’s happening with the welfare programs in the bill. So I’m happy to dive into those.
Susan Pendergrass (00:27)
Yes, yeah. I’ve definitely seen claims that this is going to basically strip health care from millions and millions of people and that kids will be hungry. And I don’t want to minimize that. But we had Brian Blase on the podcast, and I thought I had an understanding of it that didn’t exactly line up with that narrative. So let’s just start there. People are saying that tens of millions of people are going to lose health insurance under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Explain that to me.
Elias Tsapelas (01:01)
Well, the first thing people need to understand about Medicaid is that it’s gotten tremendously more expensive in recent years. The Biden administration made a lot of changes during COVID—changes to how the program works and its future trajectory. Even after the One Big Beautiful Bill goes into effect, we’re basically just putting the program’s costs back on the trajectory it was on in 2021. This isn’t going back to the Stone Age—it’s more like going back five years.
A lot of this stems from efforts to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. And while there’s certainly some of that, what many people don’t realize is that most states, including Missouri, now contract with private health plans to cover people on Medicaid—particularly the Medicaid expansion population, which consists of healthy adults.
Susan Pendergrass (02:11)
Okay, so let’s just pretend we know nothing. Medicaid is a program that covers health insurance costs for low-income and disabled individuals?
Elias Tsapelas (02:24)
Yes. About 50% of kids in Missouri are on Medicaid. The program covers around two-thirds of all nursing home costs and over a third of all births in the state.
Susan Pendergrass (02:34)
So low-income pregnant women can get Medicaid coverage, and their children can as well. Who exactly is in the “expansion population”?
Elias Tsapelas (02:47)
Good question. And just to clarify—yes, Medicaid also covers a lot of very disabled individuals who private health insurance wouldn’t. But the expansion population refers to healthy adults making up to 138% of the federal poverty limit. These are not permanently disabled people. They’re generally able to work.
Before 2021, someone like me—unmarried and childless—couldn’t qualify for Medicaid in Missouri, even if I lost my job. Medicaid expansion changed that, and with it came a lot of problematic incentives. One issue is that states are paying health plans monthly for enrollees, but there isn’t always a process to verify whether those people are still eligible.
Susan Pendergrass (04:53)
Let me just stop you there. So the state is paying monthly premiums for people who might not even know they’re on Medicaid? And they might have a job now and no longer qualify, but the state hasn’t gone back to check?
Elias Tsapelas (05:40)
Exactly. Ideally, people would notify the government when they get a job, but most don’t, and the IT systems don’t really catch that. Previously, states just paid the bills as they came in. If someone didn’t go to the doctor, there was no cost. Now we’re paying premiums whether they use care or not, which adds up quickly.
Susan Pendergrass (06:40)
So what’s in the One Big Beautiful Bill? Are states required to recertify people?
Elias Tsapelas (06:45)
Yes. One big provision is that states must check eligibility at least twice per year. The Congressional Budget Office projects significant enrollment losses just from checking more often. That’s raised concerns about red tape, but the goal is to ensure people who are no longer eligible aren’t still receiving coverage.
Susan Pendergrass (07:13)
Can Missouri do that? Do we have the systems in place?
Elias Tsapelas (07:20)
I’d like to think so, but I’m not sure. During COVID, states weren’t allowed to check eligibility at all for over three years. Missouri spent an entire year catching up when that ended. Right now, about 1.2 million people are on Medicaid in Missouri, including 350,000 in the expansion group. So yes, it would mean more IT strain.
Another major part of the bill is requiring “community engagement” or work requirements for the able-bodied expansion group.
Susan Pendergrass (08:24)
So that’s people under 65 who aren’t disabled? How do they know who’s supposed to work?
Elias Tsapelas (08:32)
There are carve-outs—new moms, parents with kids under 14, people over 65, etc. The idea is to target people who could be in the workforce. There are also alternative ways to meet the requirements, like volunteering. And it’s worth noting: the SNAP program (food stamps) has had work requirements since the 1990s.
Susan Pendergrass (10:25)
Then why are people saying this will “kick people off”?
Elias Tsapelas (10:33)
Because people will have to meet work or volunteer requirements, and the state will recertify them more often. The question is: how many people will get caught in red tape? That depends on how well states implement the changes. Most of the bill’s provisions are phased in over time to allow states to adapt.
Susan Pendergrass (11:34)
Let’s talk about SNAP benefits. People are saying this will take food away from families. What’s actually changing?
Elias Tsapelas (11:46)
The federal government will now penalize states with high error rates in SNAP administration. Missouri’s overpayment error rate is about 10%, and some states are worse—Alaska’s is nearly 25%. Under the bill, if your error rate is over 6% for two years, the state will have to start covering some of the cost. So Missouri may have to pay a portion of benefits if it doesn’t improve.
Susan Pendergrass (14:06)
How does the bill impact taxes for Missourians?
Elias Tsapelas (14:14)
The standard deduction is going up—by $750 for single filers and up to $6,000 more for seniors. There’s also a new deduction for car loan interest and temporary exemptions for taxes on tips and overtime. Since Missouri’s tax code follows the federal code, that could mean less state revenue, too.
Susan Pendergrass (15:41)
So what will this cost Missouri?
Elias Tsapelas (15:46)
It depends. If we reduce our SNAP error rate, the cost isn’t too bad. But a bigger issue is the provider tax cap dropping from 6% to 3.5% over a few years. Missouri is at 4.2% now, so we’ll need to lower it. That tax generates about $1.5 billion per year for hospitals.
Susan Pendergrass (17:09)
How does the rural hospital fund come into play?
Elias Tsapelas (17:24)
The bill creates a $50 billion Rural Hospital Fund to be distributed over five years. States will get a portion based on how rural they are. The hope is this fund offsets the provider tax losses—at least through 2030. But after that, the fund ends. So there’s concern about what happens long-term.
Susan Pendergrass (19:18)
Senator Josh Hawley mentioned he supports the bill but hopes to fix the provider tax issue in five years.
Elias Tsapelas (19:29)
That seems to be the thinking—pass it now and revisit the unpopular parts later. A lot of the tax and spending changes are temporary, which is partly how they got the bill to comply with budget rules.
Susan Pendergrass (20:30)
This reflects what voters asked for—smaller government and more state responsibility. It reminds me of the Department of Education cuts. Missouri will have to decide which programs to keep and how to fund them. But I was surprised the expansion of the MOScholars tax credit program made it in.
Elias Tsapelas (22:35)
Yes, Medicaid will continue to dominate the state budget if we don’t address it. Every year it’s, “How much more is Medicaid going to cost?” Then we build the rest of the budget around that. This bill will force Missouri lawmakers to reevaluate some of those assumptions and perhaps reconsider whether managed care is working.
Susan Pendergrass (25:02)
That’s going to be interesting to watch. Thanks for breaking it down, Elias. This bill is being talked about a lot, but I think a lot of people are still unsure what it really does.
Elias Tsapelas (25:16)
No problem. I think we’re all looking forward to seeing what happens next.
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